My daughter was offered waiting list, but unfortunately a place never came up. About Us. I have come across quite a few power mad parents but to be honest I just smile and try not to be drawn into conversation with them. (Her parents are both caricature ballet mothers who fail to see that she can ever be anything other than the big star so it was no surprise that her reaction to losing - and to a younger student at that - was so OTT and inappropriate. But the audition process is FUN and your daughter may be EXACTLY what they are looking for - so go for it! I think some people do it to show of a bit, or to try to pysche out the "opposition" but they are risking injury. For what it's worth, my top tip is to try not to overthink things and to treat the audition as a fun experience in its own right. 01/03/2017 20:11. The School aims to invite all Associate students to attend one pre-general rehearsal at the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden during the year, In addition, we invite students to attend a workshop held at the Upper School to enhance their training. Published Jan. 15, 2023 4:55 p.m. PST. as JulieW has already said, be careful what you say on here as we would all be surprised at how many people we know if all identities were revealed. Please note that we will not accept any applications sent through as a zip file. You do not need to have the video filmed in a studio or filmed by a professional. This Associate Programme is for students in academic years 5-11, who attend regular ballet classes with their home teacher and who are looking for a complimentary training programme. Hair neatly groomed, if long please tie back (no headbands). It's a funny old business really but to be honest you are better just focusing on your dc and her talents. All applicants are offered a preliminary audition. Mumsnet carries some affiliate marketing links, so if you buy something through our posts, we may get a small share of the sale (more details here). Class vary in size, one is for Y4/5 and then a class for Y6. Daisy is a junior associate of the Royal ballet School, (after a successful audition) for the programme and having accepted a place - attends their brilliant system of training alongside. I'm more than happy to support her thru itIF she was to get a place, and i guess her teacher knows this as she puts her in for a few competitions and i've always gone along with it, but i think we will reallyTRY to look at it as an 'experience' and nothing more. Areduced Earlybird audition fee of 35 will be applicable up to 12 February and then the Regular audition fee of 45 applies until the close date. I wasn't aiming the comment " be nice to people on the way up etc" at you. Helping the children to understand what is expected of them at an audition and within an associate class. The Pre-Associate programme is a structured course for gifted students to prepare them for auditions such as Royal Ballet Junior/ Mid Associates and other vocational schools. Classes run from September to July at nine centres around the UK, in London, Birmingham, Bath, Dundee, Eastleigh (Southampton), Leeds, Manchester, Newcastle and Totnes. Learn more about our use of cookies: Cookie Policy, The Royal Ballet Schools new digital intensive courses available worldwide, Unite for Ukraine Special Gala by UKs top dance schools, Russell Maliphant, Choreographer & Artistic Director looks back over his career and towards 25 years of Russell Maliphant Dance Company. However I also saw the pressure on the mothers of the Princesses. All young dancersaged 8 to 10 by 31 August 2017 (currently Years 3, 4, 5)whoapplyfor our Junior Associate programmewill be offeredan audition. Applications for our Junior Associate programme open 21 February 2023. I might just have a look. Our Mid and Senior Associate Insight Days are held at the Upper School, based in Covent Garden, 46 Floral Street, Covent Garden, London, WC2E 9DA, UK, 2023 The Royal Ballet School |Registered charity no: 214364, Affiliate Training and Assessment Programme, An introduction to The Royal Ballet School System of Training, Enhanced ballet training with the view to a full-time vocational education, Dance with students of a similar age who share the same passion and drive for a career in dance, Centre work including preparation for pirouettes, Occasionally, Associates are asked to take part in productions by The Royal Ballet, Birmingham Royal Ballet and visiting companies, All students aged 8-10 by 31 August 2022 may apply in 2022 while in current school years 3, 4 and 5, No specific experience we recommend speaking to your childs dance teacher if you are unsure, Ability to travel to your nearest Associate centre each day that classes are run during the academic year. Hello, my dd's ballet teacher has recommended that she applies for the JA programme at the RBS because she absolutely has the right physique for it. You see, there's a lot of princesses about;-) Your DD sounds like mine in terms of gravitating towards older children and maturity. Our uniform for the Pre-Associates class is a white leotard with a pink belt for girls and black shorts and white tee-shirt for boys. The audition is in the form of a class ( about an hour and a half as I recall) and is a fairly simple class with some basic exercises and stretches. They do a short class audition, which you cant watch but the children seem to enjoy. You can also apply for funding if needed too and isn't frowned upon. On the suggestions from everyone on here, we've had a big chat and DD is super chilled about it all which I think will make me feel same. Dance City is a company limited by guarantee. Applicants should not feel anxious about the content of the class or worried if they encounter steps or terminology they are not familiar with, but be prepared to participate, give things a try and enjoy the experience. Please position the camera halfway between front and side for all other sections of the barre to show full range of movements. It's easy! Helping the children to understand what is expected of them at an audition and within an associate class. Many parents on there have dc's who have previously auditioned, or are auditioning this year, so will be able to help Add message Share Report Lots of warming up and stretching going on outside before hand, but my daughter was happy to sit and watch the 'stretchers' putting their legs up by their ears!! Thanks for your reply Pups_mum i've been thinking a lot about the way to deal with the 'no' letter tbh, thats what i'm expecting her to get but i guess her teacher must see something in her to bother putting her in, in the first place i'm hoping to be able to make out its just a class a bit like a competition (which she does quite a few of) and that there is no real outcome from going. I know my ds is not the most amazing dancer ever but he has an amazingly kind heart and for me that will always win over the perfect pair of ballet feet. Your daughter had the right idea Nancy! 46 Floral Street, Covent Garden, London, WC2E 9DA, UK, 2023 The Royal Ballet School |Registered charity no: 214364, Affiliate Training and Assessment Programme, Tendus (4 front, 4 side, 4 back and 4 side), Battement tendu jet (glisss) (4 front , 4 side, 4 back and 4 side), Grand battements en croix (in 4 counts for each movement). guess she assumed it was just a letter from the teacher to me. As well as the Royal Ballet School, other vocational ballet schools offer associate programmes, so it might be worth investigating those as well. January 28, 2014 in Doing Dance, Hi Bou, my daughter auditioned for JA at 'the point' in Eastleigh a few years back, when she was 8. Junior Associate programme is for girls and boys aged 8 to 10 who want to experience Royal Ballet School training alongside their regular ballet classes.Junior Associate Auditions are held in May and are for courses which start in September. It sounds like she is a smart little girl who will understand the situation. My ds fell into ballet (long story) by accident. Hi Bou, my daughter auditioned for JA at 'the point' in Eastleigh a few years back, when she was 8. Simple chapp relev in 2nd and 4th, retir relev and relev pass, Find the camera icon with a plus and click on Upload video, When uploading the video or when you finish uploading, you can set the video to unlisted. Hair neatly groomed. You may meet them again when you are on your way down. All applications received by the closing dates will be offered an audition class. Applicants do not need to prepare anything in advance and should expect to take part in a classical ballet class similar to that which they already attend regularly. Mumsnet carries some affiliate marketing links, so if you buy something through our posts, we may get a small share of the sale (more details here). And congratulations on succeeding with the first step of the process (being recommended by your dance teacher). Find out which courses you are eligible for. There is nothing you need to do to prepare as such, and I think it helps to understand that pretty much everything they are looking for is outside of your control. ie we cant watch? btw, i assume they go in alone? Admission to the School is based solely on potential in classical ballet, not personal circumstances or academic ability. Our team are looking for dancers who show potential, artistry, musicality and a love for what they do and demonstrate an aspiration to pursue classical ballet as a profession. Hi Bou, the MA lessons take place at the upper school in covent garden (i think)!! The staff are friendly, and every child I know who has auditioned has enjoyed the experience, so its something to look forward to, not to worry about. We regret that we no longer accept DVD applications. By I think so far the audition process has been a great life experience for DD we haven't regretted one moment. However, she is not very tall for her age, and more muscle than slim, and was not picked to be a JA. I'm sure you'll find lots of helpful advice here. She was luckilyplaced on the waiting list and within a month offered another centre (which we accepted). What to include in your video Either way, its probably not worth stressing over too much as its something we cannot change. By Some parents were involved in the stretches and obviously knew what they were doing, I on the other hand had no clue on what was expected of them. Auditions take place from November to January. She has just auditioned for Mid Associates which means going to London but once again had a lovely day, just awaiting the results of this now! Dancers are welcome to re-apply if they have auditioned before. They were in every competition and a lot of mothers and DDS were jealous. Maybe because they didn't really go in for festivals & comps. Best of luck with the MA results. I may have given the wrong idea by my post. Please let me know how your daughters audition goes x, You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Bou Left and right sides of all exercises must be shown unless otherwise stated. There is a huge amount of information about the Royal Ballet School and the audition process on the 'Doing Dance' section of Balletcoforum.com and there's always several current threads about auditions. It's only one audition for JAs - there will be a list of dates on the RBS website. All eligible applicants will be offered a 1 hourauditionMay 2020. I know of 'princesses' who also auditioned and got no's year after year, it is based on potential, body proportions, not exam results and other succesess. Royal Balled School: Junior Associate Programme Auditions and Requirements. My daughter was offered waiting list, but unfortunately a place never came up. I am not criticising you by the way, just saying be careful. And she may well be exactly what the RBS are looking for! Candidates aged 13-15 applying for female training: a plain-colour leotard (not white, simple-style: no skirt, no frills, lace, high fancy neckline or multi-straps), pink tights, or a colour to match skin tone if preferred, soft shoes and pointe shoes (only for section 5). The only boy from our JA group to make it to White Lodge finals was only successful on his third attempt to get into JA's. We seek young dancers with a passion for classical ballet and the potential and motivation to pursue a career in dance. Remember a possible no is not the end either. By setting to Unlisted, only those with the url/link can see it, Please paste the url/link into your application form where instructed. ), Legseleven - your post made me laugh out loud - this totally describes Princess btw, even her mum calls her this so i'm not being derogatory, i just have a different interpretation of the meaning, I've never seen her lose anything yet but imagine it would be the same reaction, DD currently does 2hr classes twice a week after school and has always been very old for her age - doent mix very well with her age group as she 'just doesnt get them and why they have to be so silly' (her words not mine - i've never grown up, but i dont think the stamina would be an issue for her. Alternate weekends, they said the letters would be posted this side of Easter holidays so not expecting anything from them until end of march. The preliminary audition takes the form of a classical ballet class tailored to each age group. If accepted, you join in September. All you have to do is type in RBS Junior Associates at the top right of this page where it says Search,and there is a wealth of information from parents who have been there,done that and worn the T-Shirt.!! Auditions are held in the Summer Term and are for courses which start in September. thank you both, thats made me feel MUCHbetter i admit to feeling there wasnt much point even trying when i saw the other girl get the envelope (they all call her Princess for a reason - dont get me wrong, she is an amazing dancerbut she knows it too if you know what i mean), Even if we were 'allowed to talk about it' there is no way we would talk with her as she will already have decided she will get in thats why i came on here as there's no one i can talk to about whats involved and what to expect so REALLY appreciate you all taking the time out to answer my questions and ease my concerns, so plan then - forget all about it til the week before (fat chance LOL) then go for day out where she has a competition but the outcome doesnt matter, and a lovely lunch somewhere. The application deadline isMonday 23 March 2020. Find out more about photograph requirements. Registered in England and Wales No 2490618, Not sure what to expect when you visit? Hi Bou and welcome! Good luck with the audition. Lots of warming up and stretching going on outside before hand, but my daughter was happy to sit and watch the 'stretchers' putting their legs up by their ears!! It's a tricky issue in a way, and when we received the "no" letters I did worry about how to explain things to my DD. We hold annual auditions for our full-time and Associate programmes. Has anyone got experience of the Eastliegh auditions and socks vs tights? Please position the camera halfway between front and side for all other sections of the barre to show full range of movements. We travel to London to attend an audition, at Royal ballet school to audition for Mid associates programme. Sorry if that all sounds a bit negative, and of course I'm not suggesting that your DD definitely isn't going to get a place, but for many enthusiastic children the JA "no" letter is their first big disappointment and I think its worth giving some thought to how you might manage that. It is nothing to be intimidated by, they are lovely and it is a special day out for the children, just try to relax and enjoy! All classes are held on Saturdays with the exception of our Dundee, which run on Sundays. To apply to the Programme: Visit Auditions page Her ballet has come on in leaps and bounds, they do an awful lot of body conditioning and are expected to do exercises at home each eve also. If successful at the preliminary stage, applicants will be invited to The Royal Ballet School in London for final auditions. It's easy! We are so delighted to have our Associate students back in our nine Associate centres across the UK.While our Junior Associate students were taking classes f. Hair neatly groomed. OK am all read up I think couple of questions. Cambrs (bends) sideways, forwards and backwards. Sometimes children who have done very little dancing are successful rather than those who 'win everything' or get very high exam marks. Applications for our full-time and Mid/Senior/Advanced Associate programmes open in September and close in October. Once you find your file, upload it, right click on the file and click Share, Select Anyone with the link and make sure to set a password and expiry date. Should any parent require more information on joining the programme, please write in using the website of via Facebook. The other Princess's mother became seriously ill and her father refused to continue the grind of late evenings and weekend competitions as he was both tired out and worried about his wife. Sign up for a new account in our community. Every weekend was given up to competitions and dance auditions. Yes they go in alone and no you can't watch Everybody is really lovely there her teacher had mentioned she would like to consider her when she was old enuf (she's not 8til august) but that was the begining of last year and i hadnt heard a peep since so assumed either she has decided against it or she still wasnt old enough the crazy thing was, she came out walking with one of the other mumsclasping the envelope but she'd been good enough to look inside. Far from knowing what they are doing, the parents encouraging their children in the extreme stretching prior to auditions etc could well be doing more harm than good. Candidates aged 12 applying for male training: a dance leotard or close-fitting white t-shirt, dance shorts or mid to dark footless tights, white socks, and black or white ballet shoes. Applications for full-time and Mid/Senior/Advanced Associate programmes open in September and close in October. Auditions - The Royal Ballet School Our auditions We hold annual auditions for our full-time and Associate programmes. To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account. If their dd did not win - I was told by one Princess that anything less was not acceptable to the school, with a hint of tears and exhaustion in her voice - they were made to feel worthless. watch in these cinemas this November, Venice Biennale Dance Young Choreographers to Watch, Review: Alexander Whitley Dance Companys Anti-Body, Prima ballerina Natalia Osipova presents Force of Nature in NYC, Subscribe to The Wonderful World of Dance Ballet & Dance Podcast. There is a little speech given to them before they audition in which they are told not to worry, that not everyone can be picked but it doesn't mean they won't be picked later on, etc My memory is a bit fuzzy but others will know better what they are told I'm sure All that to say that kids know it is a competition of sorts. We will need access to your video for some time, so please do not use any time-limited links or file sharing services that require downloads. You will get simple, clear instructions on what to do on the day, and if our experiences are anything to go by, its all very well organised. I also said that it is not a test of how good a dancer you are, but they are looking for the children that they believe are the most likely to benefit from this particular type of training and that that does include looking for particular things in how your body is built. Good luck xx. dont know about any other classes - this is all new to me - up til the envelope arrived with DD at the end of class, we've been happily trundling along to weekly normal ballet / modern classes with the occasional comp to attend with a ballet solo Bou, I would just be honest with her. Look fwd to reading about your results. That is not to say that as the student grows, develops and matures in skill, ability and physical excellence under our tuition and guidance, the selection criteria will not be met at some time in the future but of course, that would be for us to decide based on the Royal Ballet Schools own criteria that may be in force at a later date. Please ensure that your whole body is in the frame of the video and you are dancing in a clear and safe space. My dd will be 8 in November and has danced since she was 4. Not getting drawn into that sort of thing is very sensible. I just thought it was better to mention it as it has previously been a factor in terms of 8 year olds perhaps not getting a place - to add to all of the other factors, most of which are unknown - but if your DD doesn't try, she will never know. The curriculum entails -. Auditioning is exciting but there are lots of girls in particular who all want to be a JA. At some point we all have to lose and I suspect it's better to know that from an early age. It certainly sounds as though she would be more than ready to do JA classes anyway! 2. Each year we welcome young dancers, in studying in year 3 to 10 at academic school, to attend our Junior, Mid and Senior Associate Insight classes. Taught by Royal Ballet school trained Alicia Sandercock. where in london would you have to go? 46 Floral Street, Covent Garden, London, WC2E 9DA, UK, 2023 The Royal Ballet School |Registered charity no: 214364, Affiliate Training and Assessment Programme. The JA's are an amazing experience! Entry into 1st, 2nd and 3rd year at Upper School (equivalent to UK school year 12, 13 and 14). Candidates aged 13-15 applying for male training: a close-fitting white t-shirt or leotard, mid to dark colour tights (no white tights, no dance shorts), white socks, black or white ballet shoes. Auditions are held in the Summer Term and are for courses which start in September. Links to auditions on public sites such as YouTube or Vimeo should be unlisted or password protected, not private. You'll find lots of advice here and you'll learn as you go along. Be mindful to keep your knees fully stretched, Back (lying face down sideways to camera, place hands on floor next to your shoulders and slowly stretch arms so back is arched). Well you know more than me,anyway. I didn't want to focus too much on physique issues as I was worried about her interpreting that as meaning "you aren't thin enough" but equally I wanted to her to understand that not getting chosen didn't mean that she was a bad dancer, or that it was as a result of her not trying hard enough or something. There are lots of amazing dancers out there, and as I said I have no expectations on the audition. Should any parent require more information on joining the programme, please write in using the website of via Facebook. They will ask for socks in the audition. The programme attracts students from as far afield as Newcastle, Nottingham and Liverpool, as well as many students from the Yorkshire area. Alicia remembers vividly her own associate classes and has lovingly put a program together for our pupils. Certainly don't make any assumptions though - your DDs teacher wouldn't have suggested it if she didn't think that she had potential, and previous success at festivals etc is definitely no predictor of who is selected for JAs, so don't let the other girl put her off. Just be aware that I have read that it is the more mature 8 year olds, who are thought to be capable of coping with intensive classes, who will be accepted. The classes are generally on a Saturday every week or fortnight. I don`t even have a dancing child.!!!! Auditions will be held across the UK. I don't know how long your daughter has been doing ballet but here is what happened to us regarding JA's. Hamstrings (sitting on floor sideways to camera, legs stretched forward in parallel, reach forward to touch toes). Thank you though, taxi. Less than six months after his first lesson we were at the JA audition,him knowing virtually nothing. You can choose the audition centre nearest to where you live. If you would likeyour child to be included in one of the scheduled auditions below, pleasecomplete an online application form (available w/c 9 January), submitted with photographsand administration fee beforethe closing date of17 March 2017. Stretching muscles before they are fully warmed is not a good idea. Audition Educator a new course on Dance Auditions from SemperOper Balletts Becca Haw. My daughter says she wants to audition but it's such a big commitment in terms of time, money etc, I wonder if it is worth it? Videos should be no longer than 20 minutes. If you have a look at balletcoforum.com there are many threads about associate programmes on there. All uniforms can be purchased from our shop by visiting the shop page on this site or clicking the button below. Simple pirouettes en dehors with any preparation (only if these have already been taught). I had a message from one of the dads saying that my ds should do ok as he knew who he was. My daughter was offered waiting list, but unfortunately a place never came up. What you have to remember (as I keep telling MYSELF) is that the Royal Ballet in particular has a very specific body type in mind for what they want. There is much debate about precisely what they are looking for, and I don't think anyone can define it exactly, though I am sure they know it when they see it! I think you were just voicing your opinion and I was saying take care on here, cross wires. The girl could not get herself to lessons by herself as public transport was poor and eventually she vanished from the school. Subtle/natural make-up only, if worn. It was a lovely experience which she really enjoyed. Not an edifying sight in a 13 year old but perhaps an understandable reaction (although I would have been horrified if DD had done it) as she was so accustomed to winning. Please upload your video to a file sharing website and include the link in your application form, along with the applicants details. They are invited each year to the Royal Opera House to watch a pre general rehearsal. Stretching muscles before they are fully warmed is not a good idea. My son dances at his local school with the most lovely little dancer you can watch - she floats and springs and has true X factor. Our Junior Associate Insight Days take place at our centres across the UK or online. No applicant will be disadvantaged for not having previously learned steps or terminology and should ask the class teacher to explain and demonstrate anything they are unsure of. One enchanment of grand allegro (including tours en lair for male applicants). Splits (facing on diagonal splits with both right and left leg, box splits in second position). They usually get a workshop once a year too. There would be no getting an envelope past my daughter without her knowing the contents! National dance, historical dance, natural movement and pointe work as appropriate to the students age and development. She has just auditioned for Mid Associates which means going to London but once again had a lovely day, just awaiting the results of this now! You can film your video application on a camera or a smartphone/tablet. Daisy is a junior associate of the Royal ballet School, (after a successful audition) for the programme and having accepted a place - attends their brilliant system of training alongside her regular ballet classes at CBC Ballet (parent teacher/coach) We are here to audition again for Mid associates now. January 28, 2014 in Doing Dance. I think some people do it to show of a bit, or to try to pysche out the "opposition" but they are risking injury. Semi-final auditions take place for those aged 10-11 years applying for female training in Year 7 at White Lodge, and for all Upper School students. The Royal Ballet School is looking for talented young dancers with a passion for classical ballet. 08/03/2016 18:35. Take our 3D tour of the Dance City building, https://www.royalballetschool.org.uk/train/apply/apply-to-become-an-associate/. You will always get someone who thinks their dc is amazing but the proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say. saw one of the other girls getting the same looking envelope at class last night and she wins EVERYTHING so if anyone is likely to get placed, it will be her. They run Junior Associate classes for children in Years 4, 5 and 6, Mid Associate classes for children in Years 7 to 9 and Senior Associates for Year 10s and above. Hi, newbiw here (been stalking/reading for a while tho). Good luck with the audition. I also think its really important to explain that not being selected for JAs doesn't rule out many other things. Sign up for a new account in our community. I think that for girls, there are something like 10 applicants for every one JA place, and of course they are all children whose own teachers have identified them as having potential. We seek young dancers with a passion for classical ballet and the potential and motivation to pursue a career in dance. The RBS know what they are looking for and your DD has just as much of a chance of being what they are looking for as any other child - just treat the audition as a lovely day out when she can show the panel that she loves to dance and if she's successful that will be a bonus. 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