Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. The Jewish account maintains that he remained a Pharisee until his death. Obviously, the New Testament Scriptures were not written when Jesus was walking the earth. Who am I to challenge hundreds years of false man-made tradition, like Jesus, Martin Luther, Columbus, Copernicus and Galileo? Wow, that Love Song concert was groovy, man. While Paul was studying under Gamaliel he was exposed to Hellenism, including the gymnasium. Gamaliel Paul, in a speech to the Jews, tried to influence them by stating that he had been a student of Gamaliel ("I am a Jew, . In Gospel of John chapter 10, the Apostle John records many words of Jesus, including: My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me., I recommend reading the whole chapter (10), and listening to the voice of Jesus first (rather than the voice of a stranger like Paul first. (Matthew 27:45). Gamaliel is not a Christian, but he certainly demonstrates that attitude in this story! And what kind of a stone is the most solid, permanent, and unchangeable? Any help is much appreciated, in advance! The followers of Yeshua and Shaul were not called Christians. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. - Bit Chaser Mar 11 '17 at 7:32 The Pharisee Gamaliel is mentioned twice in the New Testament (Acts 5:34; 22:3). A persons presuppositions about what Christianity is (or is not) is the real problem here. Clinton. I didnt think King Herod would knock you off so quickly. Paul wrote: The entire law is summed up in a SINGLE command: Love your neighbor as yourself. [Galatians 5:14, Leviticus 19:18], And again, Paul wrote: He who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. (Eastern Orthodox). Shaul and Yehusa were both Jews who practiced Judaism, worshiped in synagogues, at the temple and were part of Jewish society and culture. I will say, The Jewish account maintains that he remained a Pharisee until his death makes perfect sense since we know that there were other Pharisees who were Christians in Acts 15, and Paul still claims to be a Pharisee when he testifies before the Sanhedrin in Acts 23:6. Its based on a misinterpretation, out of context, of one verse in one letter written by one man, Paul the Pharisee, who was unfamiliar with the personal ministry and teaching of Jesus. What was his first name? 15: 8-11 etc. According to the Hebrew Bible, the tabernacle (Hebrew: , mishkn, meaning "residence" or "dwelling place"), also known as the Tent of the Congregation ( 'hel m', also Tent of Meeting, etc. Things will be different then. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. Historically, it's believed to be 34 AD, give or take a year. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do- this I keep on doing. [Romans 7:15-19] (Response- One more time! I am not sure you can compare Pauls education to a modern one. Something Paul preaches repeatedly. But the testimonies of the era indicate he would have become a ward and trainee of Gamaliel in the age range of 10-14. His most recent book is The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World (Rockridge, 2022). . I tried to look for the beginning (Acts 1), because a friend Im discipling has asked to go through Acts with me, and this looks like good supplement material. If the Hillel tradition did not offer plasticity enough to justify Pauls missions against Christians, is it possible that Paul felt that he stayed basically faithful to Gamaliel/Hillels school and to mercy because the predominant number (majority of cases) of Pauls concrete cases against Christians did not require threats of death (i.e., how many Christians caved in?). ), Paul is a Hillel talmudim through and though. You seem to parrot some of his words in your replies. 2 : any of numerous moths whose gregarious larvae spin communal nests usually in trees. That is not really the case. Undoubtedly, most of the Jews knew who Gamaliel was, and thus they allowed Paul to speak. what is your source for that requirement? His primary The underlying unspoken assumption is that The Bible (66 Books) was given to us by God as one book and its all equal in level of authority, priority, and importance. For example, Polhill says, The most interesting ruling preserved from Rabban Gamaliel was his insistence that a woman had the right to remarry upon the testimony of a single witness that her husband had died. (Paul insisted that all the workers show respect for him by addressing him as Boss Paul.) Paul called the team of painters together and told them: Boys, we need to paint this garage and house. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. That is a good question, I am not sure if anyone has ever asked me that before! I pray that you will be blessed with the knowledge of Jesus Christ and Gods love through the cross for you. because he said so. Acts 6:9 But resistance arose from what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen, including Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and men from the provinces of Cilicia and Asia. Well, I did take a few music classes there part-time for two or three semesters, and one time, Marco Barrientos was a substitute teacher in one of my classes for maybe 45 minutes. Jesus Leadership Training, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. at the feet of Gamaliel"). Gamaliel, as it appears, did most toward establish-. Im horrified that youre taking Jewish writings and making crazy stories out of them. Perhaps a foundation stone? Jesus came to fulfill Law and Prophets and He will. Acts presents the evangelizing apostle and church leader Barnabas as a model of integrity and character. There are three things bearing on this subject among the incidental intimations which we have in respect to the early history of Saul, viz. in a meticulous, more comprehensive way. There are many of us Red Letter Christians out here in evangelical land. He was raised in a Jewish society and home because everyone in the entire New Testament are Jews (or converts) who followed Torah. Ron Mosely and the archaeology team has gone through great lengths to disprove your theory by presenting actual archaeological evidence.. . If I did something it MUST be right Dont use the Scripture to shed any light Dont do as I say, do as I do and then you can be a Pharisee too. I am not uncomfortable with you at all, although some other users have suggest you be banned for your rather odd way of thinking. God wants to welcome anyone into His family who has the desire to seek, follow, obey, trust, and love God. Or is it possible that Paul privately harbored more overall agreement with Gamaliel/Hillel than with Shammaite Pharisees, and that Paul felt himself to be a lone dissenter in rare cases (Christians) against his former masters legal hermeneutics of mercy? 3) Paul exaggerating his ministry in Ephesus claiming it was 3 years night and day with tears when really it was 3 months in the synagogue and 2 years daily in a lecture hall. The Apostle Paul encountered Jesus on his way to Damascus in one of the most radical of ways, which led to his conversion and stepping into his call to follow Christ and preach the Gospel. According to Photius, he was baptized by Saint Peter and Saint John, together with his son and Nicodemus. There is absolutely no Christianity in the book of Acts. No research was taken into account of what the yeshivas of HIllel and Shammi taught and believed. God has not changed, and neither has the text of The Bible. In fact, it almost sounds as if he is name-dropping in order to impress people! I dont know of a single church that simply teaches the Bible simply and preaches the whole counsel of God, including Pauls sins and mistakes. The Pharisee Gamaliel is mentioned twice in the New Testament (Acts 5:34; 22:3). By claiming to have been under the teaching of this particular rabbi, Paul is claiming to have been educated in a most impressive way. Second, Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, so we can get an approximate early date for Pauls education. In reality youd be considered a Judaizer ( an no its not what Christians think it is because that definition is clearly wrong) and thrown out of the synagogues. This comes from inconsciously believing Pauls mantra, the Evangelical Mantra, that All Scripure is God-breathed, and falsely assuming Paul was referring to every word in the 66 Books of the Bible. Anyway, I should save a throne for him too.. That is the basic idea of the heavy-duty seminary language we were being trained in. That is why there was no mention of Believe and be saved The New Covenant was not even inaugurated until the Last Passover Supper and the 2 Commandments are clearly described in 1st John. While this is a generalization, many of the rabbinic debates of the first century come down to the opinion of Hillel versus Shammai. In Acts 14:23, we read: Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church. There is no god but God Shahada part 1 in Islam. As for your denial of a range of opinions in the first century, I suggest a something on the Dead Sea Scrolls, representing a more conservative view of practice than the Pharisees or Sadducees. It is said that in the 5th century, by a miracle, his body had been discovered and taken to Pisa Cathedral. Is it a commentary on the book of Acts in blog form? If he didnt have the teaching and influence then he wouldnt of had such a bold and confidence approach when speaking to other people. To know the truth is a blessing from Allah, if I had to guess you just have not been taught what Islam teaches, and we honor all Prophets (pbut) revere the 12 Apostles and have never acknowledged that Paul was one of Jesus (p) Apostles, but have always known he was responsible for the corruption of the Truth about God and the Messiah (p). Romans 10:4 states For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Lets stick to what the Word says and not look for other answers which are not guaranteed but are assumptions. Log in. Begins with a consonant. The Holy Trinity isnt Jesus, Paul, and Chuck. This included sacrifices and multiple gods before and after the games. This is getting boring. I have also posted dozens of articles on the literature of the Second Temple Period, all of which ought to interest you. You can hover over the pic and it will say that (or at least it did for me in Firefox). And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred on one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. [Luke 22:28-30]. (Soon, in the Logos Library!) This was where the institution derived its name, gymnos being the Greek word for naked. For Jews, nakedness was religiously offensive (11). By Paul being Jewish and involved in the gymnasium, he was going against the norm. he wouldn't just give it all up on a whim, especially not to be jailed, flogged, persecuted, and executed for it. Im sorry to shatter your confirmation bias but YEshua nor Paul were Christians. Phillip you have been an inspiration to me here is a new poem. The man throws his huge sombrero hat on the floor, and the couple dances around it, but never steps on the hat. Im sorry that Christians cant come to grips in their confirmation bias that both Yeshua and Pauls ministries was infact Judaism.. Wrong. And one throne for that other guy named Peter. Matthew built on Marks work, using it as a backbone, and filling out more background details, and references to The Law, The Prophets, and Psalms, etc. I am not sure God as incarnate is the issue, that is certainly not what is preached in Acts 2-3. It bothered Peter so much that G-d sent him a vision regarding gentiles coming into the faith. teresa marina tabucchi; antonia reininghaus daughter; mountain view ar tornado 1996; safari photography settings; catfish bite force; professional executor services Pohill points out that Gamaliel seemed to be very resigned about this new Jesus movement, saying that if Christianity was not of Gods will, they would end in disaster just like the false messianic movements in Israels past did (pg 31). Although there are many remarkably similarities between Paul and HIllel, there are serious differences between what might be considered the mainstream of Judaism which survived A.D. 70 (Hillel for the most part) and Pauline Christianity. Since the entire ministry framework both Yeshua and Paul are 100% Jewish, meaning adherence oral and written law, you are to view it from that lense. Have you even stepped inside shul? Believe. Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) Who wrote 1 and 2 Timothy? is his own writings Acts 22 22-29. now there is the whole case of Paul a true liar. This is simply not the case and you need to read a bit more widely than you have. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. When Saul encountered the Lords voice in Acts chapter 9, it makes me question if Saul had been hearing the Lords voice sooner, but he was not listening? 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